Except your "two-way street" just runs between two different camps of authoritarians, writing off the criticisms from those of us earnestly interested in individual liberty. Your rationalization is essentially a high-worded version of the bog standard mutual partisanship.
I can't tell how you intend to apply that concept to form an actual argument. It seems like you're just grasping at any straw that might justify continuing to support this anti-American neofascist movement, even as the plain reality keeps on revealing itself.
A more accurate title would be "Trump Administration considering suspending habeas corpus". As much as they'd like to be they don't encompass the whole US government and, as the article says, the ability to suspend habeas corpus is something Congress can do, not the president or his aide.
The issue is that the president and executive in general don’t have the power to do a lot of things they have, like withhold appropriated money, but they do it anyway and don’t care if the courts reprimand them. So yes, in theory only congress, in practice it only depends on if the executive in general (e.g. FBI) acts as if it is suspended.
The President suspending habeas corpus means that FBI, ATF, ICE and other agencies no longer act appropriately, as these agencies are directly in control of the President.
Sure, major and powerful agencies aren't "the US Government" in general. (There's still Congress and Courts). But that's still not a force of people you want to be messing with.
Suspending Trump's illegal order immediately should be the priority. Or otherwise preempting it before it gets too far. Commanding entire agencies to suspend parts of the Constitution unilaterally is not going to be good for us.
> the ability to suspend habeas corpus is something Congress can do, not the president or his aide
Congress isn't the group who has police forces and prisons to illegally detain you in. Its the President who owns and controls the police forces and prisons who can issue orders to ignore habeas corpus.
Understandable. The US cannot afford to lose its last colonies in the Middle East and in Asia, thus the need for state terrorism, censorship and indefinite detention of politically-active and class-aware proles.
Full on fascism.
Article I, Section 9 says:
> The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
I wonder what we can find in the “emanations from penumbras” of the word “invasion.”
Notably, Trump has already officially declared that the US is facing an invasion back in March.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/invo...
"They did it first!" is the reasoning of a child.
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Except your "two-way street" just runs between two different camps of authoritarians, writing off the criticisms from those of us earnestly interested in individual liberty. Your rationalization is essentially a high-worded version of the bog standard mutual partisanship.
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I can't tell how you intend to apply that concept to form an actual argument. It seems like you're just grasping at any straw that might justify continuing to support this anti-American neofascist movement, even as the plain reality keeps on revealing itself.
Clear for all to see. History will not be kind to those US 71 million voters:
"Protecting the American People Against Invasion" - https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/prot...
Without habeas corpus, laws aren't worth the paper they're written on.
A more accurate title would be "Trump Administration considering suspending habeas corpus". As much as they'd like to be they don't encompass the whole US government and, as the article says, the ability to suspend habeas corpus is something Congress can do, not the president or his aide.
The issue is that the president and executive in general don’t have the power to do a lot of things they have, like withhold appropriated money, but they do it anyway and don’t care if the courts reprimand them. So yes, in theory only congress, in practice it only depends on if the executive in general (e.g. FBI) acts as if it is suspended.
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The President suspending habeas corpus means that FBI, ATF, ICE and other agencies no longer act appropriately, as these agencies are directly in control of the President.
Sure, major and powerful agencies aren't "the US Government" in general. (There's still Congress and Courts). But that's still not a force of people you want to be messing with.
Suspending Trump's illegal order immediately should be the priority. Or otherwise preempting it before it gets too far. Commanding entire agencies to suspend parts of the Constitution unilaterally is not going to be good for us.
> the ability to suspend habeas corpus is something Congress can do, not the president or his aide
Congress isn't the group who has police forces and prisons to illegally detain you in. Its the President who owns and controls the police forces and prisons who can issue orders to ignore habeas corpus.
That is the actual title but posters are forced to change them or they get flagged immediately here.
There’s really not much to say other than, they really shouldn’t.
ICE arrested the Mayor of Newark too. For protesting.
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43941707
So it begins
Understandable. The US cannot afford to lose its last colonies in the Middle East and in Asia, thus the need for state terrorism, censorship and indefinite detention of politically-active and class-aware proles.
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